[2011-Jul-10] Long and Zorblaxian

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Re: [2011-Jul-10] Long and Zorblaxian

Post by Apocalyptus » Wed Jul 27, 2011 2:54 am

Eisbreaker wrote:I'll stick to touching my own noodly appendage thank you very much.

You're swearing off spaghetti? Better you than me, pal.

Re: [2011-Jul-10] Long and Zorblaxian

Post by GUTCHUCKER » Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:22 am

You're no pastafarian.

Re: [2011-Jul-10] Long and Zorblaxian

Post by Eisbreaker » Thu Jul 21, 2011 12:19 am

I'll stick to touching my own noodly appendage thank you very much.

Re: [2011-Jul-10] Long and Zorblaxian

Post by GUTCHUCKER » Thu Jul 21, 2011 12:16 am

Have you been touched by his noodly appendage?

Re: [2011-Jul-10] Long and Zorblaxian

Post by Kaharz » Tue Jul 19, 2011 10:44 am

DonRetrasado wrote:I believe you, it's just I'm not quite wrapping my head around it. How do we know that all possible subsets exist? (ex. if not all digits occurred infinitely, it would need be true that a string of words exists such that it would not exist in this number)

It seems to me that there is a possibility that, because of the unknown nature of pi's set, certain strings of letters/numbers might simply not exist, but I'm not 100% confident of this either.


We don't know that all digits occur infinitely in pi. Apparently at least two must since it is an irrational number. If all the digits do not occur infinitely, then not all possible patterns will occur either.

Re: [2011-Jul-10] Long and Zorblaxian

Post by Kimra » Tue Jul 19, 2011 5:10 am

I hope it has something like 'Worship the Cheeseburger' in it, because I think I could start a religion based on that.

The spaghetti monster would also suffice.

Re: [2011-Jul-10] Long and Zorblaxian

Post by DonRetrasado » Tue Jul 19, 2011 4:32 am

Kaharz wrote:
DonRetrasado wrote:This is all well and good and I believed that such a thing could exist. What I am more interested in is an actual mathematical proof that explains the "statistical certainty" of finding any string of words.


All possible elements exist in any infinite set. Since pi is theoretically an infinite set, all elements exist within it. Since it is theoretically not ordered in any way, all possible subsets of positive integers exist in it as well. This is of course provided that all digits 0 through 9 occur infinitely in pi. Everyone is pretty sure that pi is irrational (non-terminating, non-repeating), but whether or not it is a normal number is unproven.

IIRC, to have a 100% certainty that Hooray for Zorblax would appear somewhere in pi, you would have to scan 26^16 digits, or about 4.36x10^22 digits. From a quick google search, it looks like the current record for digits of pi calculated is only 5 trillion, or 5x10^12.

I believe you, it's just I'm not quite wrapping my head around it. How do we know that all possible subsets exist? (ex. if not all digits occurred infinitely, it would need be true that a string of words exists such that it would not exist in this number)

It seems to me that there is a possibility that, because of the unknown nature of pi's set, certain strings of letters/numbers might simply not exist, but I'm not 100% confident of this either.

Re: [2011-Jul-10] Long and Zorblaxian

Post by Kaharz » Mon Jul 18, 2011 9:25 pm

DonRetrasado wrote:This is all well and good and I believed that such a thing could exist. What I am more interested in is an actual mathematical proof that explains the "statistical certainty" of finding any string of words.


All possible elements exist in any infinite set. Since pi is theoretically an infinite set, all elements exist within it. Since it is theoretically not ordered in any way, all possible subsets of positive integers exist in it as well. This is of course provided that all digits 0 through 9 occur infinitely in pi. Everyone is pretty sure that pi is irrational (non-terminating, non-repeating), but whether or not it is a normal number is unproven.

IIRC, to have a 100% certainty that Hooray for Zorblax would appear somewhere in pi, you would have to scan 26^16 digits, or about 4.36x10^22 digits. From a quick google search, it looks like the current record for digits of pi calculated is only 5 trillion, or 5x10^12.

Re: [2011-Jul-10] Long and Zorblaxian

Post by DonRetrasado » Mon Jul 18, 2011 7:07 pm

This is all well and good and I believed that such a thing could exist. What I am more interested in is an actual mathematical proof that explains the "statistical certainty" of finding any string of words.

Re: [2011-Jul-10] Long and Zorblaxian

Post by Kimra » Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:49 pm

smiley_cow wrote:I have a cow in both my username and avatar. I'm surprised this didn't clue you into my laziness earlier.

And I think of it as the person who is telling us something exists job to link to it. I'm not going searching for something that might not even exist.

Re: [2011-Jul-10] Long and Zorblaxian

Post by Kaharz » Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:45 pm

The basic idea is that if you take the numbers in pi as a base 26 numeric system and convert them to letters they will occasionally spell a word. Since pi is theoretically infinite and non-repeating, eventually all words would be spelled in the same way that a bunch of monkeys randomly pounding on keyboards would eventually produce Shakespeare. But I ask you, who cares?

And cows aren't lazy, chewing your food five times over and producing all that tasty meat and milk is hard work.

Re: [2011-Jul-10] Long and Zorblaxian

Post by smiley_cow » Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:40 pm

I have a cow in both my username and avatar. I'm surprised this didn't clue you into my laziness earlier.

Re: [2011-Jul-10] Long and Zorblaxian

Post by Eisbreaker » Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:14 pm

Re: [2011-Jul-10] Long and Zorblaxian

Post by smiley_cow » Mon Jul 18, 2011 2:46 pm

Yeah, I'd like a link to one of these websites if you have it. For um...purely scientific purposes of course. >_>

Re: [2011-Jul-10] Long and Zorblaxian

Post by Edminster » Mon Jul 18, 2011 7:01 am

Yeah, that doesn't sound right to me.

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