[2012-Mar-27] Do Popes Dream of Electric Kids?

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Re: [2012-March-27th] Do Popes Dream of Electric Kids?

by Sprinkles » Fri Mar 30, 2012 11:23 pm

Donny, a point is not the most aerodynamic shape, at least not when it comes to hats. Stress builds around the point, causing it to buckle and instantly become a crumpled mess. The popes strategy of a gentle curve is in fact a far superior design.

Re: [2012-March-27th] Do Popes Dream of Electric Kids?

by Donnypool » Fri Mar 30, 2012 10:45 pm

I see that the Pope's ignoring the KKK...

Re: [2012-March-27th] Do Popes Dream of Electric Kids?

by Lethal Interjection » Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:17 pm

Dane Raider wrote: Facts can be wrong, but someone can never state an opinion then say that opinion might be wrong. Only the underlying fact. It's all a matter...

...wait, no, you're right.

People are stupid. Fuck 'em.
I don't like the idea of opinions being wrong, but they are. Often. Including mine (though I'd argue less often).

In the case of Kaharz his opinion is both right (he is making personal judgments on the work) and potentially wrong (he is making a statement about the author's body of work based on only a portion of the work).

Re: [2012-March-27th] Do Popes Dream of Electric Kids?

by Sceptic » Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:46 pm

Dane Raider wrote:People are stupid. Fuck 'em.
But use a condom when you do. After all, you never know where the idiots have been...

Re: [2012-March-27th] Do Popes Dream of Electric Kids?

by Dane Raider » Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:01 pm

Lethal Interjection wrote:
Dane Raider wrote:No, dude, you can't be wrong if you're stating an opinion.
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If you think this is true, you haven't met enough really dumb people.
Okay, shoving my pedant hat on.

Facts can be wrong, but someone can never state an opinion then say that opinion might be wrong. Only the underlying fact. It's all a matter...

...wait, no, you're right.

People are stupid. Fuck 'em.

Re: [2012-March-27th] Do Popes Dream of Electric Kids?

by Lethal Interjection » Wed Mar 28, 2012 7:16 pm

Dane Raider wrote:No, dude, you can't be wrong if you're stating an opinion.
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If you think this is true, you haven't met enough really dumb people.

Re: [2012-March-27th] Do Popes Dream of Electric Kids?

by smiley_cow » Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:18 pm

Kaharz wrote:
Edminster wrote:Yes. Anybody who says otherwise is a Replicant.
That sounds like something an andy would say to distract the rest of us. Why don't you go back to Mars android.

Smiley - It is a reference to Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep, the Phillip K. Dick book that Blade Runner was based on.
Ah, thanks. Fringe must have been a reference to that too. One of these days I really do need to get around to checking him out.

Re: [2012-March-27th] Do Popes Dream of Electric Kids?

by Kaharz » Wed Mar 28, 2012 5:25 pm

I thought A Scanner Darkly was one of the most coherent books I've read by Dick. Yea, it is a bit tough since the main character is more or less insane, but I didn't have any problems with it.

On another PK Dick note, if you haven't seen the android someone made of made of him, you should google it. It is amazing and creepy.

Re: [2012-March-27th] Do Popes Dream of Electric Kids?

by Dane Raider » Wed Mar 28, 2012 1:24 pm

Kaharz wrote:I've only read about half his novels, so maybe I'm wrong.
No, dude, you can't be wrong if you're stating an opinion.

I also found Scanner Darkly a bit tough going; it's one of those books you're better just drifting through, not worrying if you've missed something, and that might hold true about his wider works too. Think of reading them like looking at a properly abstract painting -- it doesn't matter if you're not catching all the details, the beauty is in the overall effect.

And it's better if you squint.

Re: [2012-March-27th] Do Popes Dream of Electric Kids?

by Kaharz » Wed Mar 28, 2012 1:18 pm

Dane Raider wrote:
Kaharz wrote:Phillip K. Dick
This man is proof you don't need to be sane to be a fantastic author.
I don't know. I didn't really enjoy his books from the mid to late 60s when he was apparently more or less constantly and severely intoxicated (the afterword in A Scanner Darkly talks about this some). They are brilliant ideas, but they are so disjointed they can be a bit tough to read. Frequently while reading Androids Dream I'd think I missed a page because he jumped around so wildly and his transitions were so rough. His earlier works are good, but the resolutions can be kind of weak. His stuff from the 70s on is amazing. I've only read about half his novels, so maybe I'm wrong.

Re: [2012-March-27th] Do Popes Dream of Electric Kids?

by Dane Raider » Wed Mar 28, 2012 1:07 pm

Kaharz wrote:Phillip K. Dick
This man is proof you don't need to be sane to be a fantastic author.

Re: [2012-March-27th] Do Popes Dream of Electric Kids?

by Kaharz » Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:51 am

Edminster wrote:Yes. Anybody who says otherwise is a Replicant.
That sounds like something an andy would say to distract the rest of us. Why don't you go back to Mars android.

Smiley - It is a reference to Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep, the Phillip K. Dick book that Blade Runner was based on.

Re: [2012-March-27th] Do Popes Dream of Electric Kids?

by Edminster » Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:29 am

Yes. Anybody who says otherwise is a Replicant.

Re: [2012-March-27th] Do Popes Dream of Electric Kids?

by smiley_cow » Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:15 am

Is the title of this thread a Fringe reference?

Re: [2012-March-27th] Do Popes Dream of Electric Kids?

by Apocalyptus » Wed Mar 28, 2012 4:50 am

It's because of our loving, gentle guidance.

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