[2012-Jul-13] Pseudorandom

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Re: July 13 (?) Pseudorandom

by Sahan » Thu Jul 19, 2012 8:06 am

Well I'm sure somebody could, if they really wanted to. But no.

Even at the macroscopic level, observables like position and momentum cannot both be determined precisely due to the Heisenberg Uncertainty principle, so it isn't truly deterministic. But at such a large scale, the uncertainty due to even the most precise of measurement devices is far greater than this quantum-level uncertainty, so it is effectively ignored.

Re: July 13 (?) Pseudorandom

by GUTCHUCKER » Thu Jul 19, 2012 3:26 am

Sorry, but no!

Re: July 13 - Deterministic choices at a quantum scale?

by Lethal Interjection » Wed Jul 18, 2012 8:40 pm

Matt wrote:
Can somebody help? :)
Nope.

July 13 - Deterministic choices at a quantum scale?

by Matt » Wed Jul 18, 2012 8:10 pm

Hello everybody,

I have a question about this comic:

Second drawing (With the graph) it says: "We were too macroscopic to access quantum randomness, so we didn't meet sufficient conditions for deterministic choices"

But, deterministic physics happens precisely at a macro-scale, no? It should be the fact that we have a machine giving access to smaller levels that makes our choices non-deterministic, not the opposite

I don't really understand what this comic is trying to say, anyway...

Can somebody help? :)

Re: Comic 2672

by GUTCHUCKER » Wed Jul 18, 2012 2:23 pm

How is SHUT UP?
I mean um, this thread dude
http://www.smbc-comics.com/smbcforum/vi ... 58#p139958

Re: July 13 (?) Pseudorandom

by Sahan » Wed Jul 18, 2012 2:12 pm

Willy's Release?

Comic 2672

by Destructicus » Wed Jul 18, 2012 2:01 pm

http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db ... 2672#comic

How is non-deterministic behavior (whose probability is however determinable) "free will"? Your will is still "determined" by these quantum-mechanical phenomena.

Re: July 13 (?) Pseudorandom

by Salacious Schoolmate » Wed Jul 18, 2012 10:51 am

What would the porn parody of free willy be called?

Re: July 13 (?) Pseudorandom

by Sahan » Wed Jul 18, 2012 7:36 am

Dude, we were talking about Free Willy here. You can't just derail the topic thread like that!

Re: July 13 (?) Pseudorandom

by Mr. Bleh » Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:55 pm

I guess RNGs could be a robot's arbitrary decisions.
Don't see any irony in it though, think rand is just over-thinking things.

Re: July 13 (?) Pseudorandom

by Salacious Schoolmate » Mon Jul 16, 2012 8:35 pm

Came with a cassette tape

Re: July 13 (?) Pseudorandom

by ChaoticBrain » Mon Jul 16, 2012 8:04 pm

Salacious Schoolmate wrote:I never saw it, I only read the novelisation. And what a novelisation!
But how can you have your Free Willy without Michael Jackson?

Re: July 13 (?) Pseudorandom

by Salacious Schoolmate » Mon Jul 16, 2012 6:30 pm

I never saw it, I only read the novelisation. And what a novelisation!

Re: July 13 (?) Pseudorandom

by Sahan » Mon Jul 16, 2012 6:13 pm

Isn't it that movie with a killer whale who jumps over that boy's head to escape into the sea?

Re: July 13 (?) Pseudorandom

by Salacious Schoolmate » Mon Jul 16, 2012 4:51 pm

First we'd need a definition of free will.

I guess we'd go from there.

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