by taijitu » Wed Jun 18, 2014 5:31 pm
Edminster wrote:taijitu wrote:I thought the point of ruckus was more to be a reflection of the internalized self-hatred that a white supremacist society teaches to black people.
right but the presentation as an open racist is an important part of discrediting the character or else you end up with chris rock's 'niggas vs. black people' bit which was co-opted by racists to excuse racist behaviour and opinion. plus with the self-evident wrongness of the uncle ruckus character you don't have to bother with a nuanced rebuttal; had ruckus' opinions been presented as at all reasonable-sounding then refutation becomes a necessity because of the aforementioned co-opting.
similarly, quentin presents as blatantly wrong on the point of homosexuality and miscegenation. we actually had someone roll through a few months earlier with a more 'reasonable' presentation of the same shit and
we actually took the time to deconstruct it as the nonsense it was, but with quentin it is completely unnecessary.
I don't see how not addressing it is anything other than complacency in the face of it. That ruckus is never called out is one of the weaknesses of his character and why white people watching the show have gelled to him as a comic outlet for their personal feelings about black people in exactly the same way as niggas vs black people or some of chapelle's show bits did. Poe's law, etc. In a lot of ways this is why people watch the colbert report. He might be an over-the-top satire but hey he says some reasonable stuff sometimes. How do you know which is which? Depends on your personal politics.
If nothing else it's important to point out that this might be self-evident to
you but if it were self-evident to the public at large we wouldn't see nearly as much gay panic + violence + rampant hate-mongering as we do. Maybe when kids and rappers and internet anonymous stop using (I am ignorant and should be dragged into the street and shot in the mouth.) as an insult we can safely say quentin's ideas are ridiculous. Until then he's just as serious and taken just as seriously as any redpill.
To be clearer, I'm for addressing what he said, even if it's in the form of mercilessly insulting him without bothering to address his content. I'm not for just ignoring it and hoping it goes away.
[quote="Edminster"][quote="taijitu"]I thought the point of ruckus was more to be a reflection of the internalized self-hatred that a white supremacist society teaches to black people.[/quote]
right but the presentation as an open racist is an important part of discrediting the character or else you end up with chris rock's 'niggas vs. black people' bit which was co-opted by racists to excuse racist behaviour and opinion. plus with the self-evident wrongness of the uncle ruckus character you don't have to bother with a nuanced rebuttal; had ruckus' opinions been presented as at all reasonable-sounding then refutation becomes a necessity because of the aforementioned co-opting.
similarly, quentin presents as blatantly wrong on the point of homosexuality and miscegenation. we actually had someone roll through a few months earlier with a more 'reasonable' presentation of the same shit and [url=http://www.smbc-comics.com/smbcforum/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=4042]we actually took the time to deconstruct it as the nonsense it was[/url], but with quentin it is completely unnecessary.[/quote]
I don't see how not addressing it is anything other than complacency in the face of it. That ruckus is never called out is one of the weaknesses of his character and why white people watching the show have gelled to him as a comic outlet for their personal feelings about black people in exactly the same way as niggas vs black people or some of chapelle's show bits did. Poe's law, etc. In a lot of ways this is why people watch the colbert report. He might be an over-the-top satire but hey he says some reasonable stuff sometimes. How do you know which is which? Depends on your personal politics.
If nothing else it's important to point out that this might be self-evident to [i]you[/i] but if it were self-evident to the public at large we wouldn't see nearly as much gay panic + violence + rampant hate-mongering as we do. Maybe when kids and rappers and internet anonymous stop using (I am ignorant and should be dragged into the street and shot in the mouth.) as an insult we can safely say quentin's ideas are ridiculous. Until then he's just as serious and taken just as seriously as any redpill.
To be clearer, I'm for addressing what he said, even if it's in the form of mercilessly insulting him without bothering to address his content. I'm not for just ignoring it and hoping it goes away.