[2011-Aug-29] what sort of movement...?

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[2011-Aug-29] what sort of movement...?

Postby grin2b » Mon Aug 29, 2011 8:23 pm

So, I'm just wondering: What sorts of movements, other than the Catholic church and 70s feminism, dictate anything about one's sex life? granted, every movement at times risks getting too personal, but that seems more like a flaw of movements in general. and, maybe that's what the comic was getting at; but, the mention of sex felt a bit weird. oh well; enough analysis, i guess.
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Re: [2011-Aug-29] what sort of movement...?

Postby Lethal Interjection » Mon Aug 29, 2011 11:14 pm

I agree. I really didn't understand what this was referencing. Seemed more like a cult mentality.
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Re: [2011-Aug-29] what sort of movement...?

Postby Gangler » Mon Aug 29, 2011 11:39 pm

Just off the top of my head the anti-gay movement, a whole lot of deity centered movements, just about any racially oriented movement. There are probably more, my knowledge is hardly expansive, but this already seems to be a respectable number of movements.
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Re: [2011-Aug-29] what sort of movement...?

Postby carbonstealer » Tue Aug 30, 2011 12:52 am

Also religions that say you can only have sex within marriage, can only marry within the religion with people who have been sharing the religon not mentioning any by name but mormanism
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Re: [2011-Aug-29] what sort of movement...?

Postby Gangler » Tue Aug 30, 2011 1:08 am

To be fair it's socially acceptable to marry outside the faith as a mormon. You just can't have a mormon marriage or go to heaven [insert eyeroll emote here].

Also the vegansexual thing might count.
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Re: [2011-Aug-29] what sort of movement...?

Postby Lethal Interjection » Tue Aug 30, 2011 1:15 am

Gangler wrote:Just off the top of my head the anti-gay movement, a whole lot of deity centered movements, just about any racially oriented movement. There are probably more, my knowledge is hardly expansive, but this already seems to be a respectable number of movements.


You're right, now that I think of it.

What threw me off was the inclusiveness of the list. Because these types of groups don't make lists of the people you can copulate with. They make lists of those you can't.
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Re: [2011-Aug-29] what sort of movement...?

Postby Quintushalls » Tue Aug 30, 2011 2:35 am

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Re: [2011-Aug-29] what sort of movement...?

Postby Gangler » Tue Aug 30, 2011 7:09 am

Lethal Interjection wrote:
Gangler wrote:Just off the top of my head the anti-gay movement, a whole lot of deity centered movements, just about any racially oriented movement. There are probably more, my knowledge is hardly expansive, but this already seems to be a respectable number of movements.


You're right, now that I think of it.

What threw me off was the inclusiveness of the list. Because these types of groups don't make lists of the people you can copulate with. They make lists of those you can't.

You're thinking through it backwards. It's a list of who you can't have sex with from the perspective that sex with anyone in any way is perfectly cool. From the perspective that sex is only proper within certain contexts for certain purposes it's a list of what those contexts and purposes are.

More often than not the actual wording will be something like "Sex should only be between a and b" or something to that effect. I imagine actually selling it as a limitation would be pretty shitpoor marketing for any movement looking for recruits, which is kind of implicit in being a movement.

Take for example this bit of doctrine from my youth. When asked about the topic he specifically starts with why marriage is sacred and why sex within marriage is a divine part of God's plan. Once he's established that he goes on to say that all other forms of sexuality are wrong by nature of not being within God's plan or matching his intended purpose. He presents it as a list of when to have sex, and then just spends the rest of the talk clarifying that when the situation doesn't match the scenario laid out in the "When to have sex" portion of the talk, that you shouldn't do it.

It's not so much a stop sign as a traffic light. You go when the light's green. Other lights don't mean go, so you don't go when the light isn't green.

Overall I have no problem accepting the notion that when people start talking in such a way I could take it as an indication that I should have gotten off a few stops ago. How long does it take for the warning lights to start going off in your head when someone talks like that?
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Re: [2011-Aug-29] what sort of movement...?

Postby Lethal Interjection » Tue Aug 30, 2011 6:41 pm

Gangler wrote:More often than not the actual wording will be something like "Sex should only be between a and b" or something to that effect.


This is what I meant.
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Re: [2011-Aug-29] what sort of movement...?

Postby Gangler » Tue Aug 30, 2011 7:18 pm

Oh, wait, I get what you were saying. The way the list is phrased implies that there are multiple people, methods, and reasons valid for having sex, which is often not how it goes.
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Re: [2011-Aug-29] what sort of movement...?

Postby Lethal Interjection » Wed Aug 31, 2011 2:06 am

Gangler wrote:Oh, wait, I get what you were saying. The way the list is phrased implies that there are multiple people, methods, and reasons valid for having sex, which is often not how it goes.


Precisely.
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Re: [2011-Aug-29] what sort of movement...?

Postby DareArkin » Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:57 am

Actually, many cults. The Manson Family had rules about that (basically, he got to do everyone, but the other guys had rules.) Raëlism had some thou-shalt-nots, if I remember correctly, as did the "Branch Davidians." Although I might be wrong about the last one.
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Postby Darearkin » Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:58 am

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Re: [2011-Aug-29] what sort of movement...?

Postby Oldrac the Chitinous » Thu Sep 01, 2011 2:48 am

Did you know that in the State of New York, adults aren't allowed to have sex with minors?
Police said they spent some time working out if they could charge the man with being armed with a weapon, as technically he was armed with part of a fish.
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Re: [2011-Aug-29] what sort of movement...?

Postby DonRetrasado » Sat Sep 03, 2011 7:00 am

Oldrac the Chitinous wrote:Did you know that in the State of New York, adults aren't allowed to have sex with minors?

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