Um so, "I know you are but what am I?" is your defense? Supes clever I guess, when it works and is relevant. Always childish though. (In this case childish and also doesn't work.)Astrogirl wrote:Capitalism fans have the weirdest fantasies about communism. My grandparents grew tomatoes and the state never took them away. The state didn't even take their chicken's eggs or their pork while those were still rationed shortly after the war.Snodgrass wrote:You buy seeds and plant them. You water them, you weed the plant, you protect it from insects. Your money and time and effort has grown you 10 tomatoes.
The state comes and takes your tomatoes, distributes them to your neighbors, and gives you two back. You are expected to be grateful that they have given you something that belonged to you in the first place.
It doesn't matter whether or not communism "works". It's irrelevant whether or not you can survive, or even thrive, on those two tomatoes. Your labor has just been stolen and given away without your consent. That is slavery.
Slavery is evil, communism is slavery. Communism is evil. This is irrefutable, logical fact.
Here is something that is real:
You study computer science at university. You put in your time and effort and in some countries also a lot of money. You get your master of science.
You start working for a software company as a consultant. Your employer charges the customer 800€/day for your work. You get 240€/day. You are expected to be grateful that you have been given something that belonged to you in the first place. Also loyal.
It doesn't matter whether or not capitalism 'works". It's irrelevant whether or not you can survive, or even thrive, on those 240€/day. Your labor has just been stolen and given away to the shareholders without your consent. That is not really slavery, but according to your definition it is, and it's bad anyway.
Slavery is evil. This is not slavery, but still theft. Theft is also pretty evil. Capitalism is theft. Capitalism is evil. This is irrefutable, logical fact.
Yes, I didn't answer your wise, sage questions and instead ranted and ranted, oh my you're so evolved and I'm so low and dirt. Lucky for you saying a thing makes it true!Astrogirl wrote:Not so far. I was interested in hearing some things from JosieQ. and asked questions accordingly, but they opted not to answer and instead write walls of text just repeating that mandatory health insurance is evil.NeatNit wrote:Can any of you say you've learned something from having this discussion?
But speaking of questions unanswered, because for real though, as I asked, which country is this?
That you grew up in?
Did you forget to answer were you just afraid of the obvious trap?