Astrogirl wrote:Depends on what is being chosen. All people having health insurance is more important than your choice not to have health insurance.
And there we have it. You're just a communist. You could've saved us all time and said from the beginning, "I'm a communist and I believe the good of the many..."
I know it's trendy and cool now for the privileged to think communism is just the bee's knees, but guess what, communism isn't good, or cool. Even if you have a completely benevolent government doing it perfectly and without corruption (which you NEVER do), forcing by gunpoint someone to give up something they have for the "good of the many" is evil. Talk about circles of hell. If this is the worldview you hold, no wonder you think libertarians deserve eternal roasting for daring to think that they should keep what they earn and that the only important thing in life is being able to choose for yourself. (And let's nevermind the fact that when taxes are low and people keep their money, charitable contributions go way way up, because that would disprove your obvious opinion that people are scum and must be forced to help others or they won't bother.)
No I didn't answer your question about car-insurance. The argument started out convoluted and stupid, why would I confuse things when we couldn't even get the base argument down? But now that it's officially official that you're what I thought for sure you couldn't be, I might as well throw out there that yes, I DON'T believe in mandatory car insurance. Of course it's not relevant because if I dislike having to pay for that enough, I can choose not to drive. I cannot, however, choose not to live to avoid paying for that health insurance.
Well I guess I can. And that's the world you want everyone to live in. Pay for this or die.
"Good," I'm sure you're thinking right now. "Yes die, you selfish non-paying prick, you're selfish if you don't care about The Many and you can happily go to that libertarian hell! I only care about POOR people!" But I am the poor, and I don't want to pay it, I want to pay for the groceries without which I will starve. You're killing me right now, right this second. The health insurance I'm forced to pay so much for doesn't actually cover the cost of the insulin I need to live, because I'm a raging diabetic, and I have to go to Walmart and get the cheap stuff on my own dime. So I'm paying double. Once for something ridiculously costly that doesn't actually help me, and once for the thing that does. Your nationalized healthcare is garbage. It's garbage in England, where my husband used to live, and where people spend hours and hours and hours waiting for treatment, and where his dad needed heart-surgery but would've died on the waiting list if he wasn't a cop and they didn't bump him to the top.
Whaaat, are you telling me the chosen people are still benefiting in a NATIONALIZED system how can that be!! *Elaborate eye-roll*
(Side-note: You do know that people who don't get vaccinations are only dangers to themselves right?)
But okay listen, I really do want to stop this. Yes I know no one's FORCING me to spend time here, that's really a noteworthy point thanks for telling me I hadn't realized, but I like things to have an ending. I offered the ending of agree-to-disagree and you didn't want it. Please take it.
I'll even solve all the problems right now so you can go away satisfied. You know how you fix the entire system? Deregulate.
Bam, I just solved the entire country, and every country, forever.
If I break my arm I want to be able to go to a bone guy down the street and pay him $50 to set my bone. But I can't. Because the system requires that a guy can't be a bone guy, he's gotta be a full on PhD-whatever-the-fuck, and he has to have spent a thousand years in school and a thousand in residency, and he has to take the proper insurances, and he has to blah blah blah. So I can't go to a bone guy, there is no bone guy. I must go to the doctor or the hospital, and get the x-rays I don't want, and the blood tests, and whatever else, and
then get the bone set, and walk out with it costing a billion dollars.
Let me go to a bone guy, Astrogirl. Why can't I?
Because the privileged like you don't like to think that there could be levels of care that people can choose, you don't like the idea that poor people can just accept and live with a lower quality of care, you're so worried about "helping" us that you say "No, no, nonono poor person, you don't know what's good for you, you can't go to that bone guy he might set it wrong and you die, you MUST go to this good doctor that we have vetted and say is okay, for your own good we choose for you!"
And you know what happens then? The poor can't afford it, and so we do nothing. Instead of getting cheap but good care from a bone guy who really knows his shit because that's all he does all day, he sets bones, we get nothing. Yes we can get emergency stabilization at a hospital, but we can get nothing for chronic problems, the small shit, or even the medium shit and big shit.
And you think the solution is nationalized healthcare? Where they take from us constantly, the little we have, and when it comes down to it it still isn't enough? Where we wait or days or weeks in England to still get nothing, where we die waiting? Or if we make it to that treatment then what we get anyway is that garbage nationalized service because the doctors are overworked and underpaid? Yeah run a hospital like a DMV because we know just how super the government runs stuff, so that makes sense.
De-fucking-regulate. Just fixed everything.
As to insurance, that's easy too. Competition.
Obama eliminated much of the competition when he took out a ton of insurers and bailed out the chosen, which made prices shoot up. So, capitalism. Capitalism fixes insurance. Capitalism fixes most things, really.
I know it's trendy to say now "Oh capitalism doesn't work look at America now lol" but this is obviously NOT capitalism and hasn't been for some time. Bailouts are the absolute opposite of capitalism I mean, the government bailing out a failing entity what could be LESS capitalist than that? And we see how much that hasn't worked, and thus we have proven that capitalism does work, because the opposite clearly does not.
Astrogirl wrote:Don't talk down to me.
Hahaha. Hahahahahaha. Haha. Hahahah!!
Your entire argument is "I must take from you to give to others because you're a child who needs to be parented by the government." Your entire argument is talking down to people and knowing what is best for
everyone and making choices for them because they can't be trusted to make them for themselves or others.
"Don't talk down to me." XD Aw man. If that had been a joke, it would've been the funniest one ever. So tragic that you were serious.