[2018-05-22] Existence

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[2018-05-22] Existence

Postby Tony » Tue May 22, 2018 6:49 pm

https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/existence

Why would someone morally opposed to factory farming despite its economic and nutritional benefits choose to "factory-farm" and torture humanoid AI's for no apparent benefit?

I don't see how this fits together, except as a Sam-Harris-esque edge case argument that existence is not necessarily objectively good.
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Re: [2018-05-22] Existence

Postby NeatNit » Tue May 22, 2018 8:43 pm

He's just making a point.
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Re: [2018-05-22] Existence

Postby Whumpa » Tue May 22, 2018 10:05 pm

This topic was covered in some depth by Iain M. Banks in his novel Surface Detail and reanimated in The Hydrogen Sonata (which I haven't finished yet, so don't tell me!). The stuff in Surface Detail is amazing and over the top. This is from The Hydrogen Sonata:

Some civ[ilization]s, admittedly, simply weren’t having any of this, and routinely bred whole worlds, even whole galaxies, full of living beings which they blithely consigned to oblivion the instant they were done with them, sometimes, it seemed, just for the glorious fun of it, and to annoy their more ethically angst-tangled co-civilisationalists, but they – or at least those who admitted to the practice, rather than doing it but keeping quiet about it – were in a tiny minority, as well as being not entirely welcome at all the highest tables of the galactic community, which was usually precisely where the most ambitious and ruthless species/civs most desired to be.
Others reckoned that as long as the termination was instant, with no warning and therefore no chance that those about to be switched off could suffer, then it didn’t really matter. The wretches hadn’t existed, they’d been brought into existence for a specific, contributory purpose, and now they were nothing again; so what?


Thanks for listening!
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Re: [2018-05-22] Existence

Postby sheikhjahbooty » Wed May 23, 2018 11:08 am

This moment, right now is the moment you have been brought into existence. In just a moment, you will realize that all the events that you think brought you to this point are implanted memories, and you are an artificial brain trapped in a malicious creators device. Clench up your butt cheeks. This next part is going to be a doozy.
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Re: [2018-05-22] Existence

Postby Tony » Wed May 23, 2018 3:43 pm

NeatNit wrote:He's just making a point.

I'm almost certain that this is the case, but I'm afraid I might have missed it--unless of course it's the one I posited. Elaborate, please?
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Re: [2018-05-22] Existence

Postby Kit. » Wed May 23, 2018 7:56 pm

Tony wrote:Why would someone morally opposed to factory farming despite its economic and nutritional benefits choose to "factory-farm" and torture humanoid AI's for no apparent benefit?

It's OK if the AIs simulate chicken-eaters. See the next comic.
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Re: [2018-05-22] Existence

Postby NotDragon » Sat May 26, 2018 8:23 pm

Sometimes these comics really speak to me.

Also, if you made the people in the simulations stoic, they would never reach a crest of horror and so would have to be tortured indefinitely.
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Re: [2018-05-22] Existence

Postby trickyness » Sun Jul 29, 2018 7:39 pm

quantum computing provides NP (or exponential) unethicalness in polynomial time not infinite unethicalness

Also why don't you have a comment box below the comic
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