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SMBC Comics Forum • View topic - [2011-Jul-26] Wildly Naive

[2011-Jul-26] Wildly Naive

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[2011-Jul-26] Wildly Naive

Postby ghoest » Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:44 am

http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2318

Is he saying in the votey that socialism and anarchy are individually wildly naive or that conflating the two indicates a wildly naive worldview?
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Re: July 26: Wildly Naive

Postby Edminster » Tue Jul 26, 2011 1:57 pm

No. The "wildly naive" descriptor is applied to the boy, not the politics.
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Re: July 26: Wildly Naive

Postby unapologetic anarchist » Tue Jul 26, 2011 2:46 pm

Actually, the descriptor applies to the boy's "political views". Those views, as indicated by his shirt, are an opposition to GMOs, a fondness for socialism and a fondness for anarchism.

I agree that it is naive to be opposed to GMOs based on some 'natural is good and GMOs aren't natural' fallacy, but there are real reasons to oppose GMOs as they lead to a vast reduction in genetic diversity among food crops, among other issues.

I don't see it as naive to be in favour of both socialism and anarchism. As an anarchist, I see both anarchism and socialism as likely to produce better outcomes than the current capitalist system. Depending on who you ask, anarchism may actually be described as a sub-species of socialism, especially 'social anarchism' or 'anarcho-communism' (check wikipedia for more info).

And the reference to naiveté immediately reminds me of a great comic by Matt Bors:
Who is really the naive one, Zach?

I don't want to get into a big debate about political theory, but I would just ask those who instinctively call radicals, revolutionaries, anarchists and socialists "naive" to actually read some well-regarded political theorists who hold those ideologies rather than basing their views on things that their Che t-shirt wearing nephew spouted off about during the last Thanksgiving dinner.
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Re: July 26: Wildly Naive

Postby csmk » Tue Jul 26, 2011 2:54 pm

This comic is old-school. Just like the early ones. I love it!
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Re: July 26: Wildly Naive

Postby matrixbandit » Tue Jul 26, 2011 2:57 pm

How long do you suppose until they start selling the t-shirt from the votey in the SMBC store? Anyone want to take bets? :D
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Re: July 26: Wildly Naive

Postby Edminster » Tue Jul 26, 2011 3:27 pm

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Re: July 26: Wildly Naive

Postby Gangler » Tue Jul 26, 2011 3:51 pm

Paranoid? Probably. But just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that there isn't an invisible demon
about to eat your face.
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Re: July 26: Wildly Naive

Postby Lethal Interjection » Tue Jul 26, 2011 7:19 pm

Precisely.
The anarchy and socialism don't have to be naive, but the kid's perspective on them might be.
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Re: July 26: Wildly Naive

Postby Where's the beef? » Tue Jul 26, 2011 7:36 pm

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Re: July 26: Wildly Naive

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Re: July 26: Wildly Naive

Postby NR22 » Tue Jul 26, 2011 7:43 pm

Believing Socialism doesn't make you naive.
Not questioning your government does.
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Re: July 26: Wildly Naive

Postby Lethal Interjection » Tue Jul 26, 2011 7:45 pm

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Re: July 26: Wildly Naive

Postby DonRetrasado » Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:28 pm

I would've thought that socialism and anarchism are quite mutually exclusive, but *.

Anyway the joke is definitely about people who blindly embrace counter-culture movements and expose their own ignorance. Like wearing a without the least familiarity with the Cuban Revolution.



EDIT: Come to think of it, the Livestrong wristband phenomenon pretty adequately mirrors Che Guevara's popularity in terms of "fashion articles that people do not understand the significance of". Although Livestrong supports a charity instead of a violent radical, so that's a plus.
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Re: July 26: Wildly Naive

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Re: July 26: Wildly Naive

Postby Quintushalls » Wed Jul 27, 2011 2:36 am

As a male, if I tried threatening to do this, I would never get that video game.
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