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[2012-Jun-27] The Neil DeGrasse Tyson argument

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[2012-Jun-27] The Neil DeGrasse Tyson argument

Postby ReasonablyDoubtful » Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:00 pm

Oh boy. Another religion comic.

I've always had a problem with this argument that comes from a point raised by (of all people) Michael Shermer: Scientists can't just count the hits, they have to count the misses. This argument against religion doesn't even count hits. It counts potential hits that might occur sometime in the undefined (maybe not undefined, but we'll not go into that) future.
Time to piss off people with logic and facts!
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Re: [2012 June 27] The Neil DeGrasse Tyson argument

Postby Salacious Schoolmate » Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:21 pm

If an alien species read the most recent SMBCs to learn what humour is they would want nothing to do with us.
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Re: [2012 June 27] The Neil DeGrasse Tyson argument

Postby MTGradwell » Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:01 pm

If there's something reealllly trying to kill us, it's spectacularly unsuccessful. I mean, we all die eventually, but that's not due to any effort on the something's part, and I personally do not know of anyone killed by the vacuum of space, or by a high speed asteroid, or by a gamma-ray burst. Not one.

I would postulate that the something isn't trying to kill us. Instead it is trying to save everything else from us, by making it extremely uneconomical for us to engage in a wild killing spree across the universe. It's a strategy that's obviously ultimately destined for failure, but still I suppose it's the thought that counts.

I like Neil DeGrasse Tyson, and I usually find him highly entertaining, but if he's putting forward the supposed hostile nature of the universe as an argument against a creator then he's definitely slipping.
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Re: [2012 June 27] The Neil DeGrasse Tyson argument

Postby smiley_cow » Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:13 pm

What did Neil Degrasse Tyson say? I thought this was a reference to Lawrence Krauss and his book 'Why There is Something instead of Nothing.' And who is generally a lot more arrogant about religion and science the Neil Degrasse Tyson tends to be.
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Re: [2012 June 27] The Neil DeGrasse Tyson argument

Postby ReasonablyDoubtful » Wed Jun 27, 2012 7:55 pm

Time to piss off people with logic and facts!
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Re: [2012 June 27] The Neil DeGrasse Tyson argument

Postby Kaharz » Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:00 pm

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Re: [2012 June 27] The Neil DeGrasse Tyson argument

Postby Anon21 » Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:59 pm

It does seem like he might have been able to work a punchline in there somewhere. Maybe in the last panel or something?
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Re: [2012 June 27] The Neil DeGrasse Tyson argument

Postby Willa » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:03 pm

"Why is there something and nothing, and the something reealllly seems like it's trying to kill us?"
"Well, child, it's probably because you said a swear word while the relatives were over."
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Re: [2012 June 27] The Neil DeGrasse Tyson argument

Postby completely_clueless » Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:51 pm

Mishneh Torah, madda yosefta, yesodey ha-torah, chapter 1, halacha 11: "He is not found within time, so that He would possess a beginning, an end, or age. He does not change, for there is nothing that can cause Him to change."

To say that creation was from "a certain point in time" is to miss the point. I always found this idea incredibly cool. It's also been around and ignored for a long time, though Einstein sort of acknowledged it.
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Re: [2012 June 27] The Neil DeGrasse Tyson argument

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Re: [2012 June 27] The Neil DeGrasse Tyson argument

Postby Salacious Schoolmate » Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:29 pm

the thing is right, the question after
"why is there something?"
"god made it"
is
"Why is there god?"
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Re: [2012 June 27] The Neil DeGrasse Tyson argument

Postby Dr. Guestman » Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:49 pm

Tyson's point about the universe being so dangerous was a counter to the argument "God must exist, because why else is the world so perfectly hospitable to life?"
In response, he goes on to say that the world, and the universe in general, are very dangerous and inhospitable to life; in other words, that argument is fundamentally flawed.
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Re: [2012 June 27] The Neil DeGrasse Tyson argument

Postby DonRetrasado » Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:24 am

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Re: [2012 June 27] The Neil DeGrasse Tyson argument

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Re: [2012 June 27] The Neil DeGrasse Tyson argument

Postby DonRetrasado » Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:58 am

Compared to a lot of planets, it is.
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