JosieQ. wrote:You're so weirdly, unnecessarily hostile. Especially since poor people are the ones who suffer when FORCED to buy something, not rich people. I'm obviously on the side of FREEDOM and people KEEPING THEIR MONEY, not taking from the poor. Forcing people to buy a product does not help the poor. They have to buy it too.
I really can't figure out what you're even trying to say, because you're so bad at saying it. Maybe you should stop being unreasonably snarky for a second and actually explain your point of view. Because right now, you once again seem to be confusing insurance with healthcare. Like you think I said the poor don't deserve healthcare? Or something?
You're obviously either confused, or you actually think forcing people to buy something somehow helps the poor? Are you confusing forced-insurance with taxes that go to welfare? Only taking wild shots in the dark here, because you're all over the place and make no sense. I feel like you're either incredibly stupid, like incredibly, or you're having an argument with me that is an extension of one you had with someone else and bringing in shit I never thought nor said. Because every time you reply, it reads like you're talking to someone else.
So yeah starting from scratch: Not saying anything about taxes, or healthcare, or killing the poor. Only saying that passing a law that makes someone buy something is wrong.
JosieQ. wrote:So you all agree that being forced to buy insurance is a good idea, for obvious reasons I'm too stupid to understand?
Okay then. I see I've stumbled into a den of irrational psychotics.
JosieQ. wrote:This is so tiring. So. Tiring.
Astrogirl, pay attention.
you do nothing but insult and insult saying "Oh u so stupid lolol"
One more time. I'm only saying. Being forced. To buy. A product. By law. Is wrong.
Anecdote: I'm the poor and sick, me! If they weren't taking such a huge chunk out of my income for health insurance I don't want, I could maybe afford to fix (among other things) the exhaust-leak in my car that blows it into the thing as I drive, giving me headaches and dizziness. Ha talk about healthcare I'd sure like to choose to get!
Oh but we're not talking about choice.
Choice is apparently worthless to you and you don't care if people have it.
You, by contrast, seem to think that that ape has a responsibility to buy that insurance. You think that all dirt should be like the dirt he was born on, and that all the apes on all the dirt everywhere should have to buy that insurance for their own good, whether they want to or not.
Astrogirl wrote:Depends on what is being chosen. All people having health insurance is more important than your choice not to have health insurance.
Astrogirl wrote:Don't talk down to me.
JosieQ. wrote:One more time. I'm only saying. Being forced. To buy. A product. By law. Is wrong.
JosieQ. wrote:Insurance is a product.
JosieQ. wrote:It boils down to one issue. I believe that just because an ape happened to be born on this piece of dirt and not THAT piece of dirt, that doesn't mean that as a result he should have to buy something. No matter what that thing is, I think the ape has a right to choose for himself if he wants it.
JosieQ. wrote:"Good," I'm sure you're thinking right now. "Yes die, you selfish non-paying prick, you're selfish if you don't care about The Many and you can happily go to that libertarian hell!
JosieQ. wrote:(Side-note: You do know that people who don't get vaccinations are only dangers to themselves right?)
JosieQ. wrote:I'll even solve all the problems right now so you can go away satisfied. You know how you fix the entire system? Deregulate.
Bam, I just solved the entire country, and every country, forever.
JosieQ. wrote:If I break my arm I want to be able to go to a bone guy down the street and pay him $50 to set my bone.
JosieQ. wrote:As to insurance, that's easy too. Competition.
JosieQ. wrote:Of the two of us, I want to be left alone and leave others alone. You want to force people do and pay and act and live in certain ways.
But I lack sympathy for other humans, yes. It's me.
JosieQ. wrote:Anecdote: I'm the poor and sick, me! If they weren't taking such a huge chunk out of my income for health insurance I don't want, I could maybe afford to fix (among other things) the exhaust-leak in my car that blows it into the thing as I drive, giving me headaches and dizziness. Ha talk about healthcare I'd sure like to choose to get!
And there we have it. You're just a communist. You could've saved us all time and said from the beginning, "I'm a communist and I believe the good of the many..."
Astrogirl wrote:Yes, I'm a communist. I blame growing up in a communist country where nobody was homeless, nobody lacked food and everyone had access to healthcare, free daycare for their children up to age 10 and free university.
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