[2019-04-21] Hobby

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[2019-04-21] Hobby

Postby ckridge » Sun Apr 21, 2019 6:00 pm

I think about this one a lot. It has a developed form that I call the Inquisitor's Fallacy, that goes like this.

1. You believe A, which is false, but of no great consequence.
2. In order to support A adequately, or even to have A be meaningful, you must also believe B, C, and D.
3. B. C, and D have abominable consequences.
4. If you believe B, C, and D, you must be silenced, suppressed, and anathema, to save others from your abominable beliefs.
5. If you don't believe B, C, and D, we are going to silence, suppress, and make you anathema anyway, for doing your logic wrong, you dumb son of a bitch.

This way of thinking is so very attractive that I first diagnosed it in myself. It is an extension of effective argumentative technique, in that it looks for impossible, untrue, or unwholesome consequences of an opponent's beliefs and exposes them. Where it goes wrong is in its contempt for people who don't believe logically necessary consequences of things they do believe in. It is a feature, not a bug, that many fundamentalist Christians would intervene at danger to their own lives if they saw a crowd stoning a gay person to death. There are all kinds of things wrong with such fundamentalists, but failing to follow their beliefs out to their final consequences and then act on them no matter what is not one of them.
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Re: [2019-04-21] Hobby

Postby NeatNit » Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:14 pm

https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/hobby

Title text: Eventually, SMBC will be nothing but irritating redheads faithfully describing their own flawed reasoning.

Here's an older comic this is probably referring to: http://smbc-comics.com/comic/perspective

There are probably loads more, I just happened to run into this one today.
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Re: [2019-04-21] Hobby

Postby AlixeTiir » Mon Apr 22, 2019 11:25 pm

ckridge wrote:It is a feature, not a bug, that many fundamentalist Christians would intervene at danger to their own lives if they saw a crowd stoning a gay person to death. There are all kinds of things wrong with such fundamentalists, but failing to follow their beliefs out to their final consequences and then act on them no matter what is not one of them.


1. how dare you call the Christians bugs you bug-hater

2. I think they're not so much failing to follow their beliefs to their final consequences, but rather choosing which part of their belief system they're going to choose to follow to their natural consequences, considering that they adhere to a set of beliefs which is confusing and self-contradictory. The bible says gay people should be stoned or whatever, but it also says something about not throwing rocks at people unless you're Jesus. Which one you choose to follow to its logical conclusion is up to you, but they aren't consistent with one another. That being said, we can resolve the contradiction by saying that stoning someone means giving them a lot of weed, and casting stones means throwing rocks.

of course, stoning someone to death would still be a big deal but a lot harder to do.
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