by Gangler » Tue Aug 30, 2011 7:09 am
Lethal Interjection wrote:Gangler wrote:Just off the top of my head the anti-gay movement, a whole lot of deity centered movements, just about any racially oriented movement. There are probably more, my knowledge is hardly expansive, but this already seems to be a respectable number of movements.
You're right, now that I think of it.
What threw me off was the inclusiveness of the list. Because these types of groups don't make lists of the people you
can copulate with. They make lists of those you
can't.
You're thinking through it backwards. It's a list of who you can't have sex with from the perspective that sex with anyone in any way is perfectly cool. From the perspective that sex is only proper within certain contexts for certain purposes it's a list of what those contexts and purposes are.
More often than not the actual wording will be something like "Sex should only be between a and b" or something to that effect. I imagine actually selling it as a limitation would be pretty shitpoor marketing for any movement looking for recruits, which is kind of implicit in being a movement.
Take for example
this bit of doctrine from my youth. When asked about the topic he specifically starts with why marriage is sacred and why sex within marriage is a divine part of God's plan. Once he's established that he goes on to say that all other forms of sexuality are wrong by nature of not being within God's plan or matching his intended purpose. He presents it as a list of when to have sex, and then just spends the rest of the talk clarifying that when the situation doesn't match the scenario laid out in the "When to have sex" portion of the talk, that you shouldn't do it.
It's not so much a stop sign as a traffic light. You go when the light's green. Other lights don't mean go, so you don't go when the light isn't green.
Overall I have no problem accepting the notion that when people start talking in such a way I could take it as an indication that I should have gotten off a few stops ago. How long does it take for the warning lights to start going off in your head when someone talks like that?
[quote="Lethal Interjection"][quote="Gangler"]Just off the top of my head the anti-gay movement, a whole lot of deity centered movements, just about any racially oriented movement. There are probably more, my knowledge is hardly expansive, but this already seems to be a respectable number of movements.[/quote]
You're right, now that I think of it.
What threw me off was the inclusiveness of the list. Because these types of groups don't make lists of the people you [i]can [/i]copulate with. They make lists of those you [i]can't[/i].[/quote]
You're thinking through it backwards. It's a list of who you can't have sex with from the perspective that sex with anyone in any way is perfectly cool. From the perspective that sex is only proper within certain contexts for certain purposes it's a list of what those contexts and purposes are.
More often than not the actual wording will be something like "Sex should only be between a and b" or something to that effect. I imagine actually selling it as a limitation would be pretty shitpoor marketing for any movement looking for recruits, which is kind of implicit in being a movement.
Take for example [url=http://lds.org/general-conference/1994/10/making-the-right-choices?lang=eng&query=sexual+immorality]this[/url] bit of doctrine from my youth. When asked about the topic he specifically starts with why marriage is sacred and why sex within marriage is a divine part of God's plan. Once he's established that he goes on to say that all other forms of sexuality are wrong by nature of not being within God's plan or matching his intended purpose. He presents it as a list of when to have sex, and then just spends the rest of the talk clarifying that when the situation doesn't match the scenario laid out in the "When to have sex" portion of the talk, that you shouldn't do it.
It's not so much a stop sign as a traffic light. You go when the light's green. Other lights don't mean go, so you don't go when the light isn't green.
Overall I have no problem accepting the notion that when people start talking in such a way I could take it as an indication that I should have gotten off a few stops ago. How long does it take for the warning lights to start going off in your head when someone talks like that?