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She's also credited with saying: "It's easier to ask for forgiveness than it is to get permission"

Hence negating the need for change management, change control, and the like.

While Grace Hopper did find a moth causing problems in the Mark II, the term "bug" for flaws in technical designs predates the computer age by at least decades.

In other words:

Shenanigans!

[quote="ZL"]I think Grace Hopper also coined the term "bug" when they found a real insect inside a machine once that was causing problems... I could imagine the spirit of Grace Hopper striking back with more bugs also.[/quote]

I was all ready to call shenanigans on that.
My apologies.

I think Grace Hopper also coined the term "bug" when they found a real insect inside a machine once that was causing problems... I could imagine the spirit of Grace Hopper striking back with more bugs also.

Relative background to the stip: A picture of an abandoned factory with the caption "Everything fades"

[quote="Lethal Interjection"]I don't know about defending history, but you were essentially saying "look how open-minded us computer science folks are!"[/quote]

I think I was saying look how gendered division of labour (prejudice) is based in random historical contingencies that can lead to counter intuitive consequences. I thought it was relevant background to the strip.

[quote="AllanO"][quote="Pitch Hitter"]Wow, you've really thought through your version of "My field is less bigoted than all the others".[/quote]

How was I defending history with that post?[/quote]

I don't know about defending history, but you were essentially saying "look how open-minded us computer science folks are!"

[quote="Pitch Hitter"]Wow, you've really thought through your version of "My field is less bigoted than all the others".[/quote]

How was I defending history with that post?

Wow, you've really thought through your version of "My field is less bigoted than all the others".

[quote="DonRetrasado"]Funny, I would've assumed there'd be some discrimination in computer fields.[/quote]

Well in light of your response, I edited my post to be more precise about what I meant. Interestingly in the period Grace Hopper began her computer career there were probably proportionately more women in computers than in other technical fields (not going to swear to that), but I could not say parity existed.

Before the advent of the electronic computer technical (and accounting) calculations that had to be done in large numbers were often done by rooms full of women working on various calculator type machines (or even pen, paper and log tables). Such grunt work was often done by the same sort of women who became typists. However some of the organizers and technical point people of such teams were women with advanced degrees in mathematics (note Grace Hopper had a PhD in mathematics from Harvard). Woman could get the organizing jobs because while they were technical they were not exactly prestigious. However such numerical analysis expertise was rare at the time when computers were invented and vital to optimal use of computers. So they could often get jobs at the early computer installations (which often grew out of places using human computing power) and that is why there are probably more prominent women in the early history of computers than in other fields at the time.

Men can carry more computers when it comes to harvest time.

[quote="AllanO"]Also, yes history shows that women can work in computer fields as easily as men.[/quote]
Funny, I would've assumed there'd be some discrimination in computer fields.

Two things bug me about this comic: first Grace Hopper was part of the team operating the Harvard Mark I, but did not participate in its construction, second, surely the term "rear admiral" should not pass by without a joke.

Otherwise yes Grace Hopper is pretty cool. Also, yes history shows that women can work in computer fields as competently as men.

way to alienate your core demographic